Flooped

[altivo]

Portmanteau word, I think, made up of "floppy" and "pooped"? My mate and I have used this from time to time to mean that, anyway. Today seemed like an endless day, and tomorrow is W-day. Eeww!

Managed to get a question into the Unsheathed podcast, but only in a sort of abortive fashion. They spent more than 20 minutes talking about it, I think, but mostly I feel as if I made them defensive, in spite of my serious effort not to do that, and consequently they ended up defending erotic writing rather than really addressing the question. Oh well.

Need to decide whether to go to a guild meeting in the morning. Kinda should do that, but it will make tomorrow even longer than today was.

I shouldn't write these things when I'm melt onto the floor tired, I guess.

Wind is roaring outside. I guess summer is really over. Equine dentists coming Thursday to float the ponies' teeth for them. We skipped last year, but I think it best not to do that again.

Comments

[mondhasen.livejournal.com]

I suppose it's better than ploppy.

Managed to get a question into the Unsheathed podcast,...

What podcast is this? Couldn't google up a reference quickly.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Though I'm not big on erotica, I still like these two, and especially Kyell, because of the rich characters and settings they create (all furry too.) Their podcast is nominally about writing in general, but tends of course to focus on furry erotica because, after all, that's what they both do and therefore tends to be what listeners write in about as well.

Unsheathed has only been around for 11 weeks, but I'd think that would be enough for Google to find it. It's apparently on iTunes if you use that (I don't because I run Linux.)

The RSS feed is here:
http://www.kyellgold.com/kkcast/unsheathed.rss

Description:
Kyell Gold and K.M. Hirosaki are two well-known furry authors, best known for their adult work. They talk about writing, the fandom, adult topics, and answer questions about any of the above. Look for our Podcast in the iTunes Store.

[mondhasen.livejournal.com]

I actually can do podcasts now. And since I printed the outrageous and voluminous manual for Little-Bear I can even figure out how.

Will your question appear in their podcast 11? I'll give it a listen (when I can find a 45 minute window ;o)

[altivo.livejournal.com]

It is indeed the second half of issue 11. They only addressed two questions, and mine was the second of those.

[mondhasen.livejournal.com]

They did ramble on about erotica and furry. I had some trouble following it all because they mentioned publications like Roar and Fang, neither of which have I read. I've also not read any of their work. I felt the main point they tried to come back to was 'you write to your audience and if you want to sell you'll write to the erotic seeking audience.'

Near the end they mentioned The Magicians. Have you read this? I did order it via work and will see if I can make the time for it. I'm two books behind at the moment.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

I have not read The Magicians. Let me know what you find in it.

They mentioned ROAR and FANG because I explicitly named ROAR in the question. Gold and Hirosaki are primarily published by Sofawolf Press, while ROAR and FANG are (or were) serial story anthologies produced by Bad Dog Books. FANG has contained erotica exclusively, while ROAR was conceived for furry, but non-erotic, fiction. My own story, "A Close Port of Call," was the leadoff of the first (and so far only) volume of ROAR.

Bad Dog has twice announced deadlines and themes for the second volume of ROAR but nothing has come of it. Whether this is due to lack of submissions, lack of funding, or lack of sales of the first volume, I don't know, but I suspect lack of sales. It's not erotica, you see.

And that was more or less the point of my question. Reynard's Menagerie was a literary quarterly devoted to furry fiction, mostly or entirely non-erotica. It lasted about five issues I think. Sofawolf used to publish Anthrolations, which was mostly non-erotic furry content, but that has been stalled for several years now. They do publish New Fables but after three issues I still can't figure out their apparently very narrow definition of what constitutes a "fable."

The online writing site, FurRag, which contains erotica but did not focus on that and therefore also contains a lot of good quality non-erotic stories, is now moribund. It was sponsored by Bad Dog Books' publisher, Alex Vance, who declared his intention last spring to merge it into YiffStar (an erotic fiction website) and was apparently taken aback by the resistance he received from the active participants on FurRag. I have no idea where that will end up, but I'm certainly not going to be submitting any material to YiffStar, even after it changes names as is now apparently planned.

[mondhasen.livejournal.com]

YiffStar, the Hustler of furry lit is changing its name? *snicker* They should have a naming contest (unless they already did that, but I haven't tramped through there in ages). My comments don't belong in this thread.

Have you considered putting together your own writing site? (like you have that much time to devote, eh?)

I've been enjoying what I consider furry manga of late, my preferences leaning toward illustration more than writing. Those Flight books, edited by Kazu Kibuishi, are nice. Not all stories fit my def of furry, but many do and those are what I read within the selections.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Yep, YiffStar is supposedly changing to "SoFurry" which is supposed to improve its image... not.

I thought about managing yet another site, but the answer is no. I don't want to live entirely online the way some folks seem to do.

Manga don't work for me. The Japanese worldview is quite simply alien to my thought processes I guess. More American or Brit styled comics or graphic novels sometimes have appeal, and I've enjoyed Circles and Coyote River, Associated Student Bodies, and particularly Blotch's Dog's Days of Summer. I'm really looking forward to the new non-erotic, northern-themed book that Blotch has announced.

Ultimately, though, I'm a fan of the printed word. I don't need illustrations so much as I want artful and sensitive writing. Kyell Gold's Pendant of Fortune is good. Tim Susman's Common and Precious, or William Horwood's Duncton Wood. Richard Adams' Watership Down and so forth.

genre confusion

[mondhasen.livejournal.com]

*Manga?! Sweet faunus, what was I thinking? ...I wasn't. Squirrels in the attic.*

er, Graphic novels was what I meant, not that it really matters at this stage of the thread.

*moonhare needs a copy-editor, or to be a more careful typer-type*

It's bad enough that I fall into colloquial writing instead of adhering to rules of grammar, but when I can't seem to distinguish one genre from another then confusion will indeed reign my thoughts... ;o)

Re: genre confusion

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Not a problem. I neglected to mention Leo Magna's Fur-Piled, which I've also enjoyed, though it's a bit soap opera-ish. It has cute and intriguing characters.

Re: genre confusion

[mondhasen.livejournal.com]

Fur-Piled has a definite look that I associate with furry comics. Sweet characters, nice expressions, and the story (from what I bipped through) is suggestive more than outright graphic.

The characters remind me of Jeff-kun's Closet Coon critters. I like the expressions here as well. A nice story (until he ended his updates in 2008).

Lastly, while I'm rambling, did you ever see Garden Sylvain's Miellaby? http://feros.furaffinity.net/user/miellaby/ (I got scared trying to pull up his old site because http://sgarden.club.fr/home.html seems to have 404'd). Probably off topic because these aren't stories but little comics: nicely expressive characters.

Re: genre confusion

[altivo.livejournal.com]

That link for Miellaby isn't working here. I'm not sure why.

Yes, Fur-Piled is occasionally suggestive but never explicit. Leo has drawn some outtakes that were rather more than suggestive when he had two characters meet in a bath house (but they ended up not doing anything, you just saw them nude.) That appeared in an issue of Heat, but has not been included in the main comic.

He has also drawn some other things that were considerably more raunchy, but he keeps Fur-Piled pretty much clean and safe for work.

As it goes...and goes... 'til we end it.

[gabrielhorse.livejournal.com]

Managed to get a question into the Unsheathed podcast, but only in a sort of abortive fashion. They spent more than 20 minutes talking about it, I think, but mostly I feel as if I made them defensive, in spite of my serious effort not to do that, and consequently they ended up defending erotic writing rather than really addressing the question. Oh well.

Seems all to familiar to me... people are always afraid of not ONLY anything they do not understand, but even anything they are not interested in... seeking something to react to, and if it is unfamiliar- which they'd give a positive response to- they give it a negative one. Discussions are often futile, and the chances of failure rise as the number of people involved rises. Ultimatly, communication is more like suggestion, made all the more obvious as people try harder to make their "point", or rather, force a viewpoint on others.