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[altivo]

Wiley's latest comment on "population control"

Comments

[avon-deer.livejournal.com]

*applauds*

Goes well with this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7852623.stm

[schnee.livejournal.com]

Spot on!

[soanos.livejournal.com]

I know the human population could use some thinning. Hence no intention to breed. :)

It just baffles me to see how human population is over 6.1 billion (Last time I heard) and probably is still skyrocketing, and they want to control the animal populations by killing them off "Because there are too many of them and their population density is threatening the indigenous species". While breeding uncontrollably like rabbits in the spring.

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People, use a friggin' condom! >:(
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[altivo.livejournal.com]

Yeah, and the BBC version omits the fact that she already had five or six brats at home. I think in this case, the Chinese have it right. Mandatory sterilization is going to be the only cure.

I just don't get it. There are obviously too many humans in the world already. Why do people think we need more?

[avon-deer.livejournal.com]

I don't think people do it deliberatly. The biological urge to reproduce is very strong in a lot of people. The impact on the eco-system of their bringing more mouths to feed into the world is the last thing on their minds. For others it's a financial thing. In the UK having children pays HUGE dividends. My sister is a very tallented lady, who works as a nuclear scientist at a well known nuclear installation. She is not poor. Yet she gets the same child benefits as someone who has a kid and is on the breadline. This goes back to my rant a few days ago about benefits being issued on the basis of demographics rather than need. It is in my view the single biggest failure of the post war welfare state. I can assure you it was NEVER intended to be used thusly.

[avon-deer.livejournal.com]

This is worth a visit too:

http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Somehow I totally missed that urge, along with the instinct that makes people coo at human babies. Eeew.

You might wonder had you seen me cheering the discovery of infant platyfish in one of my tanks this morning, but somehow that exception only applies to H. sapiens. Every other species' successful reproduction does interest me. ;p

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Antlers on too. Nothing amuses me more than art that depicts deer dressed as hunters and out for human prey.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Even gays have a million excuses for not doing that. Never mind how tired they all are.

[saythename.livejournal.com]

http://home.pacifier.com/~dkossy/vhemt.html

You first.

[heavens-steed.livejournal.com]

Your words are very disturbing. Are you suggesting we implement Hitlerian breeding programs? How do you decide who is sterilized and who is not? Should we start setting up gas chambers to thin out the human population? Or perhaps you'd prefer gulags or mandated infanticide?

There are NOT "too many humans" in the world, not in mathematical or scientific terms. The population of Europe is actually declining because of steadily decreasing birthrates. Even in the U.S. the population is going a downward trend. Most of our population growth is coming from immigrants. The only countries that have population problems are those in some developing nations (mainly in Asia) where people are less educated and health conditions are worse so people end up having more children to make up for higher mortality rates.

[saythename.livejournal.com]

I suppose that if humanity was, well, managed, better,
than we'd not have the ecosphere so damaged. Perhaps
with better guidence humans could learn to limit their
growth, to care for the planet better and learn to live
with a it as a mother.

Perhaps.

We'd need someone, or maybe a group, that would be the
forerunners of controlling the population, using it, for
far better ends then the chaotic breeding thats allowed
now.

A special group that could...guide humanity, that could,
make the world the Eden it could be.

There would, of course have to be sacrifices, but would
it be so much to ask?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draka

[altivo.livejournal.com]

I never suggested nor did I imply anything of the sort that you impute here. I would, however, suggest that human breeding be limited to no more than replacement numbers, i.e. two per couple. Thirteen is sheer irresponsibility, and you of all people, with your opposition to welfare programs and government support, should be aware of that. In virtually all cases, families of that size end up relying heavily on social programs.

I'd prefer that such limitations be applied through social pressure rather than legal enforcement, of course. And my unreserved disapprobation for couples who persist in having more than two children is aimed at precisely that goal.

There ARE too many humans in the world already. We are putting far too much pressure on the ecology and on ourselves. Half the present number would be much more sustainable without any serious economic losses. However, the overall growth shows no sign of tapering off just because some developed nations have slowed.

[heavens-steed.livejournal.com]

I suppose you also think it was a beautiful and wonderful thing when that sadistic loser of a doctor in Florida killed that 6 month old baby that ended up being born due to a botched abortion and threw it into a trash bag, lied about the whole thing, and now has had his license removed from him. One less human in the world!

I'm so thoroughly disgusted I don't even know what to say to you.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

I'll go as far as the "Wilderness has a right to exist for its own sake" level there. As for being first, I have no offspring and never will have any. I'd say that's doing my part. I don't ask anyone to commit suicide in order to reduce the population, just that they stop reproducing uncontrollably.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

What we need is more thought and less hormones. It's that simple. Enforcement isn't going to cut it. Social pressure and better appreciation of the balance of nature, though, should go a long way in the right direction.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Finrod, I never said anything of the sort. You are far too eager to "extend" my position and extrapolate it into absurdity.

[hellmutt.livejournal.com]

Same here.

And that cartoon is gorgeously drawn.

[hellmutt.livejournal.com]

Gary Larson has done a few like that, I think...

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Wiley is well worth watching, IMHO. Available daily at that site if you don't get it in the newspaper over there.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Indeed he has. And there have been some really good ones on FA from time to time as well.

[soanos.livejournal.com]

Okay, we'll hit the 7 billion mark at 9th or 10th April 2010.

SLOW DOWN! <¥>

[soanos.livejournal.com]

Tired? o.O

[altivo.livejournal.com]

The excuses, I mean. Though some of the gays are pretty tired too when you come down to it, and I don't mean Michelin.

[avon-deer.livejournal.com]

Me neither. I am not a child person. I can cope with them if they are undistruptive, but most kids fail this test. I think some human beings have a high drive to reproduce and others do not.