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[altivo]

Wiley's latest comment on "population control"

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[avon-deer.livejournal.com]

*applauds*

Goes well with this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7852623.stm

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Yeah, and the BBC version omits the fact that she already had five or six brats at home. I think in this case, the Chinese have it right. Mandatory sterilization is going to be the only cure.

I just don't get it. There are obviously too many humans in the world already. Why do people think we need more?

[avon-deer.livejournal.com]

I don't think people do it deliberatly. The biological urge to reproduce is very strong in a lot of people. The impact on the eco-system of their bringing more mouths to feed into the world is the last thing on their minds. For others it's a financial thing. In the UK having children pays HUGE dividends. My sister is a very tallented lady, who works as a nuclear scientist at a well known nuclear installation. She is not poor. Yet she gets the same child benefits as someone who has a kid and is on the breadline. This goes back to my rant a few days ago about benefits being issued on the basis of demographics rather than need. It is in my view the single biggest failure of the post war welfare state. I can assure you it was NEVER intended to be used thusly.

[heavens-steed.livejournal.com]

Your words are very disturbing. Are you suggesting we implement Hitlerian breeding programs? How do you decide who is sterilized and who is not? Should we start setting up gas chambers to thin out the human population? Or perhaps you'd prefer gulags or mandated infanticide?

There are NOT "too many humans" in the world, not in mathematical or scientific terms. The population of Europe is actually declining because of steadily decreasing birthrates. Even in the U.S. the population is going a downward trend. Most of our population growth is coming from immigrants. The only countries that have population problems are those in some developing nations (mainly in Asia) where people are less educated and health conditions are worse so people end up having more children to make up for higher mortality rates.

Reposted from another discussion of the same topic

[duskwuff.livejournal.com]

If I remember correctly, a prominent doctor's already gone on the record stating that whoever was responsible for this woman's treatment was completely out of line, and that they'd probably lose their license if they got found out. Which I can totally agree with.

[schnee.livejournal.com]

Spot on!

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Antlers on too. Nothing amuses me more than art that depicts deer dressed as hunters and out for human prey.

[hellmutt.livejournal.com]

Gary Larson has done a few like that, I think...

[schnee.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I like role reversal like that as well - not just because it's funny, but also because it will (hopefully) make people think.

o/~ And there's ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right — two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow o/~

(OK, admittedly, that song's narrator *is* a human, but it'd still fit. ^^)

[soanos.livejournal.com]

I know the human population could use some thinning. Hence no intention to breed. :)

It just baffles me to see how human population is over 6.1 billion (Last time I heard) and probably is still skyrocketing, and they want to control the animal populations by killing them off "Because there are too many of them and their population density is threatening the indigenous species". While breeding uncontrollably like rabbits in the spring.

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People, use a friggin' condom! >:(
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[avon-deer.livejournal.com]

This is worth a visit too:

http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Even gays have a million excuses for not doing that. Never mind how tired they all are.

[saythename.livejournal.com]

http://home.pacifier.com/~dkossy/vhemt.html

You first.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

I'll go as far as the "Wilderness has a right to exist for its own sake" level there. As for being first, I have no offspring and never will have any. I'd say that's doing my part. I don't ask anyone to commit suicide in order to reduce the population, just that they stop reproducing uncontrollably.

[saythename.livejournal.com]

I suppose that if humanity was, well, managed, better,
than we'd not have the ecosphere so damaged. Perhaps
with better guidence humans could learn to limit their
growth, to care for the planet better and learn to live
with a it as a mother.

Perhaps.

We'd need someone, or maybe a group, that would be the
forerunners of controlling the population, using it, for
far better ends then the chaotic breeding thats allowed
now.

A special group that could...guide humanity, that could,
make the world the Eden it could be.

There would, of course have to be sacrifices, but would
it be so much to ask?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draka

[altivo.livejournal.com]

What we need is more thought and less hormones. It's that simple. Enforcement isn't going to cut it. Social pressure and better appreciation of the balance of nature, though, should go a long way in the right direction.

[heavens-steed.livejournal.com]

I suppose you also think it was a beautiful and wonderful thing when that sadistic loser of a doctor in Florida killed that 6 month old baby that ended up being born due to a botched abortion and threw it into a trash bag, lied about the whole thing, and now has had his license removed from him. One less human in the world!

I'm so thoroughly disgusted I don't even know what to say to you.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Finrod, I never said anything of the sort. You are far too eager to "extend" my position and extrapolate it into absurdity.

[trail-horse.livejournal.com]

I completely agree that human population has passed its limit and I'm amazed at how unpopular this idea is.
In my opinion, this goes along with immigration. I think there is a limit to the number of people within a country and I think the United States has passed this limit. That's why I'm against the practically unlimited immigration the US government is allowing.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

Oddly enough, it seems "unlimited" only if you sneak in illegally. Those born abroad in English speaking nations have quite a lot of trouble getting in legally, as far as I can tell. I suspect the motivation is to avoid cutting off the supply of cheap unskilled labor in some areas.

[goldenstallion.livejournal.com]

Whinnyhi, Rider.

Now if only you could join me on one of my huge inflatable animals like my newest zebra. Clean. Never a baby. Easily put away afterward. Easily cleaned up after. No expensive dating, dinners, etc. Just pure imagination fun. I know, not your bag but sure works for me and... no population growth.

I guess we are all crazy, in our own ways. Giggle.

Imperator your inflatable golden palomino pegasus ride forever.

[altivo.livejournal.com]

*snicker*

I'll tell you something about that privately. Watch your e-mail.

[soanos.livejournal.com]

@.o

Zebras, you say... Sounds... Intriguing. :o

The trend needs to be reversed

[bladehorse.livejournal.com]

Make it a very public, and emberassing thing to have more than 2 kids. They stil can, but would end up facing ridicule, and (theres Joann again with another one comin out of the oven ) on the 6 o clock news. Then have everyone turn there back on the ones that cant stop. Hell Gov wouldnt even need to get involved. Laugh and point works wonders!!

Re: The trend needs to be reversed

[soanos.livejournal.com]

Or just make sex in general a lot hush-hush-taboo-eviö-bad-thing-to-do business and start teaching about birth control in schools.