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Written more than two centuries ago, these words or their authors could never have imagined the internet, the telephone network, or the image communication formats we have available to us today. However, I am entirely certain that these writers would have included such information explicitly could they have known of it.

Tell the government, Congress, the NSA, and the Obama administration that enough is enough. The Patriot Act is an unconscionable violation of the 4th amendment to the US Constitution, and it always has been such. Now that we know of some of the abuses being perpetrated under cover of that heinous and illegitimate law, it is time for us to stop them. Click on the image above for more information about what you can do.

Date: 2013-07-04 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I don't think that the 4th amendment has anything to do with it. The Obama admin. is spying on everyone everywhere in the world that it can, and Obama justifies it by saying that everyone is spying on him too. He just sounds like a paranoid little weenie, so nothing is going to stop it but the end of his term.

Date: 2013-07-05 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
If kicking the guy out who's solely responsible for those programs continuing to exist today will do nothing, then I'm not sure what you think a constitutional challenge would accomplish. You may be taking the wind out of your own sails here.

Date: 2013-07-05 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I just see the DOJ being directed in such and such a way and the SCOTUS never even touching it.

Besides, as I pointed out in my first comment, this is a far far bigger issue than spying being done on Americans. The US is basically spying on the whole world in much of a similar fashion, where the 4th amendment is not applicable. Whether or not having a different president would stop that is debatable, but that IS the only way it could possibly be stopped. You really couldn't do worse than Bush or Obama, so I like the chances afforded by even some random guy as president instead of those two.

Date: 2013-07-05 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Mitt Romney and John McCain aren't random NEW people though.
I'm more favourable to the outcome of another election in large part because some of the most awful choices imaginable have been eliminated in this last election.

If progressives want, they can ask the candidates in the next election repeated questions about this and make it an election issue whether the candidates want it or not.

Date: 2013-07-04 09:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] avon_deer
Is there anything *I* can do? I have sadly kinda been intimidated into silence on this issue :(

Date: 2013-07-05 02:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] avon_deer
We have means of protesting, but they are frequently ignored. This is how the elite view "the ordinary people" in the UK >>

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