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[personal profile] altivo
I actually took a nap in the middle of the morning today. Because I felt like it (or felt bad enough) but it's very rare for me to be able to sleep in daylight even for a few minutes, let alone a full hour.

It's a tradition in Gary's family to plan the summer's vegetable gardens on Valentine's day, so we started on that. Hopefully we won't have such awful floods this spring. Last year most of my seeds were washed out and had to be replanted. I'm also reminded that I need to get out and prune apple trees in the next couple of weeks some time.

We had pink pancakes for breakfast, which is sort of a tradition. Gary gave me a teddy bear with a "HUGS" sweatshirt on, and I gave him a big soft plush husky pup. We had talked about going out for dinner, but made comfort food instead and stayed in because it's just too cold to go out. He's busy with homework anyway.

I'm about to trash Google's "Buzz." They pushed it at Gmail users pretty hard, as in saying "no thanks" just meant they kept asking you again and again. I gave in only to find out they they automatically set up a profile and set me to follow people from my most frequent contacts. They did not explain in any detail what this meant, and it turns out there are some issues with it. I'm not personally hiding or afraid of being known, but there are definitely people I correspond with regularly who would not want to be publicly associated with either gay men or furry fandom. While I disagree with that attitude, I don't want to violate their wishes either. Google was quite willing to violate their wishes without asking them and without really telling me that they would be publicly visible to anyone as my associates, whether they wished that or not. This is very wrong in my opinion. Saying that it was stated clearly doesn't matter if the statement was (as Douglas Adams put it) "published by putting it in a folder in the bottom drawer of a filing cabinet in the disused lavatory in the cellar, where, just by the way, the light was burned out."

Now that the damage is done, Google apologizes and say they will do better. But they can't put Humpty Dumpty together again, can they? Not really. They've lost my trust, and won't get it back easily now.

Then there's the matter of user interface. Since they chose to automatically link Google Reader and Picasa (yes, people could opt out of that, but it wasn't clear what they were opting out of and had the appearance that Google was "recommending" the link) many had their personal photos exposed to viewership unexpectedly as well. However, the straw that breaks this camel's back is Google Reader. For those who leave Google Reader linked to their profile, anything they "share" with others via the Reader interface is published to Buzz as a "link" entry. (Very similar to Facebook "links" if you're familiar with those.) The difference is that many people use Reader specifically to share piles of reading material with a circle of friends or colleagues. Often that reading matter is on subjects of no interest to me, even though I may be their personal friend. My Buzz "inbox" is overflowing with this stuff, which from my end is similar to the stuff that aged relatives used to "forward" to my e-mail. I'd have been delighted if they wrote me messages about what they were doing or how they were feeling, but instead they just constantly forwarded piles of "cute stories" and "scary warnings" about non-existent viruses, gang initiations, and, of course, the dreaded brain tumor boy. I'm sure there is real content in Buzz, but frankly, I can't find it under all the Google Reader links. Google gives me no option on this. If I follow someone, I can't filter their output. If they are sharing 50 links a day with business colleagues over Reader, I'm going to get each and every one of them as a separate "buzz." There is no way to say "do not send me Google Reader output." The only choice Google gives me is to unfollow the individual in question. This in turn looks to them as if I'm rejecting them personally or something, which isn't true.

There's another issue too. I get unknown, suspicious followers on Twitter, of course. Everyone does. Most of us know how to deal with that, and we just block them. Unfortunately, Google created a situation with the "automatic" following such that many of us have followers we can't block and can't identify. Because they never created a Google profile, we can't see who they are and have no "block this guy" button to click. This is creepy in the extreme, and utterly unacceptable. Facebook has this right. They don't let anyone follow you until you approve them as your friend or at least accept their request. People who ask to be my friend on Facebook yet have protected their own profile so that I can't see their photo or name or anything about them until I accept them as a friend... Well, they get rejected. Too bad.

Consequently, I will be disconnecting Buzz from my Gmail and my online presence. Google has promised to give us an automated way to do that (something they also forgot to do before activating this thing) and as soon as they provide that I will use it. Presently one has to delete all one's follows manually, erase one's profile manually, delete one's comments and posts manually, and only then "turn off buzz." Omitting any of these steps leaves personal information lying about where it can still be abused. I expect Google to clean up their own mess, not make me do it, so I'm marking time at the moment.

I just want to say to anyone who is following me or who was followed by me, "It's nothing personal. I just found that Buzz is not something I need in my life, and I'm removing it."

Date: 2010-02-15 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] feathertail
I'd read that Google Buzz was fail. I wasn't aware it was that bad. I think I disabled it right at the get-go, because I'm not interested in the slightest, but disabling Buzz sounds like getting rid of Windows malware so I'm not entirely sure.

The whole thing has lowered my opinion of Google to the point where I'm really open to Gmail / Google Search alternatives, and would almost use Yahoo or Microsoft's offerings if they weren't even worse. If you leave Buzz out of the picture that is.

Also, Happy Valentine's Day to you and your mate. >.>b

Date: 2010-02-15 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] feathertail
Well, I did opt out and select "turn off Buzz," but I didn't go through it deleting anything ...

Meh. >.> I thought they were supposed to not be evil.

Date: 2010-02-15 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mondhasen.livejournal.com
It sounds good that you told them to buzz off. I'm frustrated with these services and their lack of control over privacy issues.

Date: 2010-02-15 12:01 pm (UTC)
ext_39907: The Clydesdale Librarian (altivo blink)
From: [identity profile] altivo.livejournal.com
It's difficult for me to understand why they just don't "get it" but I suppose as with so many computer and net related issues, the designers are too young to have the vision and experience needed. They simply can't see the potential issues involved.

Date: 2010-02-15 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shiningriver.livejournal.com
"We had pink pancakes for breakfast, which is sort of a tradition. Gary gave me a teddy bear with a "HUGS" sweatshirt on, and I gave him a big soft plush husky pup."

That's nice to have someone who cares about you so much. You are one lucky horsie!

Date: 2010-02-15 12:02 pm (UTC)
ext_39907: The Clydesdale Librarian (rocking horse)
From: [identity profile] altivo.livejournal.com
Indeed, and I am well aware of it. ;D

Date: 2010-02-15 07:25 am (UTC)
hrrunka: Laughing icon by Narumi (nar laugh)
From: [personal profile] hrrunka
...and don't forget the sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard!" ;)

I don't think it's the first time Google have screwed up a privacy issue, and I doubt it'll be the last, unfortunately.

Date: 2010-02-15 12:03 pm (UTC)
ext_39907: The Clydesdale Librarian (pegasus)
From: [identity profile] altivo.livejournal.com
I always ignore "Beware of the Leopard" signs. I know too many nice leopards for that to bother me. ;D

Now if it had said "Beware of the Bear" I might have had second thoughts.

Date: 2010-02-16 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustitobuck.livejournal.com
Yes, you should always be very careful around those wily bears...

Date: 2010-02-16 03:04 am (UTC)
ext_39907: The Clydesdale Librarian (Default)
From: [identity profile] altivo.livejournal.com
There are really nice bears too, of course. But I have encountered some nasty ones as well. ;p Haven't found a bad leopard in the barrel yet.

Date: 2010-02-15 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schnee.livejournal.com
I'm about to trash Google's "Buzz." They pushed it at Gmail users pretty hard, as in saying "no thanks" just meant they kept asking you again and again.

Really? I declined it once and haven't heard from it since then (there is a "Buzz" link in the sidebar next to "Starred" now that I don't need or want, but that can be dealt with using AdBlock or your chrome/userContent.css, assuming you're using Firefox).

Of course, after reading the rest of your entry, I'm glad I declined, too.

Date: 2010-02-15 12:09 pm (UTC)
ext_39907: The Clydesdale Librarian (wet altivo)
From: [identity profile] altivo.livejournal.com
I think you'll only get that sign-up panel again if you log out of Gmail and back in, as I do when I move from machine to machine at work. Or they may have fixed that issue, but it was definitely happening in the first 24 hours or so.

If you haven't touched Buzz or used that link at all, so you have no connections and no profile for it, then you can go down to the very bottom of the page and click "turn off Buzz" in the tiny options in the footer. That should get rid of the tab and make things look the way they did before the monstrosity was released from the lab.

If you looked into the Buzz tab even just once, though, it has created a profile and automatically linked you to other people and applications. The "turn off Buzz" option does not undo that, and you'd want to undo it all and delete the profile first. Unless you do that, all the potential privacy issues still remain active, only you'll get no notification if anyone starts probing around.

Date: 2010-02-15 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schnee.livejournal.com
I just tried to log out and back in, and didn't get another message asking me about the whole thing, so I assume that was a glitch that got fixed (or an attempt at obnoxious marketing that turned into a blunder and was scrapped).

No, I haven't used it at all, although as the article [livejournal.com profile] hrrunka linked pointed out, that apparently still doesn't keep Google from forcing it on you behind your back, anyway. x.x I got it all disabled now, though, I think — I hope.

Date: 2010-02-15 12:52 pm (UTC)
ext_39907: The Clydesdale Librarian (wet altivo)
From: [identity profile] altivo.livejournal.com
The really OBNOXIOUS thing about what Google did was that automatic profile creation business. They joined you to other people and other people to you, based entirely on an automated examination of your e-mailing habits. If you ever doubted that Google is tracking what you do, now you know. Worse, once they made those connections, ANYONE could see who you had been e-mailing by just following you on Buzz, even if you weren't actively using Buzz yourself. This sort of thing is just inexcusable.

Worse, they still don't seem to understand that this was a big blunder, or a violation of privacy, or anything wrong. Their "apology" says nothing of the sort, just that they'll act differently in the future. Even there, they appear to plan on continuing the same default behavior. The only difference is that they will "ask you" first. But how many people question the defaults when starting a new application? How many actually read those reams of agreements, including the privacy disclosures? Google did originally issue some very weakly worded "warnings" about the consequences of activating Buzz, but didn't explain very well just what they meant. Worse, the warnings were issued only after they had already made those links (for some people, hundreds of them) and essentially, published them.

Date: 2010-02-15 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schnee.livejournal.com
Yeah, indeed. I've got to say I really liked Google better when they were a search company — right now, it seems more like they're trying to become the private-sector version of the NSA.

Date: 2010-02-15 02:17 pm (UTC)
ext_39907: The Clydesdale Librarian (Default)
From: [identity profile] altivo.livejournal.com
Or worse, the corporate version of your maiden aunt, trying to engineer social contacts for you. ;p

Date: 2010-02-15 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schnee.livejournal.com
*shudders*

Date: 2010-02-15 12:12 pm (UTC)
hrrunka: Frowning face from a character sheet by Keihound (good idea)
From: [personal profile] hrrunka
The risk isn't how it bothers you, but rather how many other Google users you end up being linked to. A friend linked this article which pointed out that just saying "no thanks" doesn't stop it, but merely hides from you what it's doing behind your back...

Date: 2010-02-15 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schnee.livejournal.com
Ah, thanks — hmm, seems like Google still made me "follow" eighteen people and had five follow me despite my declining the whole thing (and not even having a profile, either).

I got rid of all of these, though, and turned the whole thing off for good now afterwards. :)

Still, all in all, I guess it's just another reason to move away from GMail in the end.

Date: 2010-02-16 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustitobuck.livejournal.com
Aw, Sounds like you and Gary had a great Valentine's Day. That was the best part of the posting by far.

Date: 2010-02-16 03:12 am (UTC)
ext_39907: The Clydesdale Librarian (rocking horse)
From: [identity profile] altivo.livejournal.com
I have to agree. That was certainly the best part.

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